A lot of people are incapable of behaving respectfully or reasonably and some players form some (in my opinion ridiculous) ideas about what is wrong or right in the game.. thus the arguments and flames follow..

I re-read what you said Milosi, what I was saying was to play totally +forward on ztn is futile, because of the respawning and item placements. A '+forward' player is on the attack as soon as possible and remaining in combat as to get as many frags as they can.. obviously still taking items but taking much more risks and more easilly losing track of items because of the focus on attacking, sometimes finding they are not at the right place at the right time to take some items through pursuing the opponent. I am not sure whether I want to play you though, you explained how you hate to playing against defense.. that has the be the most ridiculous playstyle complaint I have heard yet. If anyone has the right to hate defense it is me, who lost a tournament game on dm2 because I could not find my hidden opponent for the last 5 minutes (in this case he was defending his score by hiding). To play a defensive player and still have fun you must rethink your strategy, and make tactical plays that give you an advantage and allow you to start playing more '+forward' and control the pace and flow of the match without having to charge around exploding corners.

If you don't care about the outcome as a +forward player then "I will gladly show u ztn can be played +forward, and you should try my dm6" makes entirely no sense.. I believe you.. you can play anyway you want to, I never doubted that in the first place.. but I am talking about actually wanting to win, not about messing around... if you want to play +forward as a ztn strategy, I am not saying you shouldn't. Not caring about the outcome usually means you only want to have fun, but seriously, I am sad to find a defensive player takes away your fun. (I am not one btw, but have a lot of respect for players who I have seen pull off the defense thing well like 'Gamer')

There is no DMC law, and the player complaining, in my opinion, can only justify their argument if the other player was purposefully trying to ruin their fun. If a player is trying to ruin my fun, usually I feel they aren't worth complaining at, as it will most likely just satisfy them.

Yesterday I play with a firmiliar name, and am made to feel bad. I have played with them across the past 6-8 months in ffa and duel, and even 2on2. They are in a clan that I respect and do not have any rough history with or whatever, and im pretty sure they are capable of beating me if they spent less time getting worked up.. which is why im surprised when something snapped in them. "I need more training from oRe".. okay, excuse me but I do not want to be involved in some kind of rivalry, I had no idea this player had some kind of competitive issue with me.

oRe was the first player to join me in my clan in 2004 and made decisions with me on who else to take on board, pretty much making him joint clan founder. We have played together for years and what you accuse me of may even be demeaning to oRe, if you think he would want to play alongside a camper and acceptance into, and the loyalty shown in remaining to this day, in my groupie of chaos as an active member. I doubt there is anyone who has played with me as much as oRe, I wonder if he will testify to your claim of me being a camper?

oRe?

Anyway, I did not know what to say.. I just said "I don't care". But my fun was ruined, he got worked up and frustrated... OVER A GAME. I do not have the patience for this so I leave server. Im not playing kids games. And if you're getting training from oRe, then effectively you are getting training from pfc as oRe representing pfc.. a non profit, friendly duel clan. I cannot see your accusation as very friendly.

What will I do next in DMC? WHATEVER THE GAME LETS ME DO. If you don't want to play me, then leave me alone, I don't care if some people won't play with me, but don't throw complaints or accusations at me and then say you need more training before you want to face me again.. winning is not all the fun, I was not trying to take anyones fun away and I will be the one to leave game. If you want to play with me? Good, I play anyone, but don't expect me to cycle the quad with you, and don't expect to find me behind the dm4 nailgun to lame you, as I know you will not find it fun.

Have I intentionally ruined someones fun in the past? No one is perfect, and I have learned and developed after 6 and a half years, resulting in a very long fuse and i've never felt as satisfied. I play FOR satisfaction.

I chatting away again touchy like, and we all have our own ideas about the game, I am just choosing to share mine. I am passionate about player conduct. My theory on dmc ethics is manners, respect and what will naturally follow; fun. Competitve? FINE! THATS GOOD! But what are we left with without manners and respect? You tell me.